Michelle Freed is a seasoned publicist, media strategist, and founder of Leave it to Michelle Media, where she helps authors, researchers, and visionaries bring their work to wider audiences. With a career spanning radio production, publicity, and media coaching, she has collaborated with some of the most well-known names in metaphysics, spirituality, and consciousness studies. In addition to her work as a publicist and producer, she is a practicing hypnotherapist, remote viewer, and co-host of the podcast The PsiChicks with Debra Lynne Katz.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Michelle speaks about “the business of spirituality.” Freed explores the opportunities and challenges faced by practitioners, from setting boundaries and building credibility to navigating ethics, marketing, and public perceptions. Drawing on her experience in both media and spiritual practice, Michelle offers candid insights into how seekers and professionals can pursue authentic work while sustaining their livelihood.

00:00:00 Introduction

00:01:57 Michelle’s early work with Art Bell and Jimmy Church

00:04:13 Discovering metaphysics and remote viewing

00:06:02 From hypnosis to “hypno-marketing”

00:08:15 Becoming a publicist and media producer

00:20:26 Pitfalls of coaching programs and marketing schemes

00:39:17 Money, energy exchange, and worthiness

00:45:01 Cultural views on charging for spiritual services

01:02:46 Synchronicity, manifestation, and belief

01:04:55 Ethics, boundaries, and predatory behavior in spiritual communities

01:24:48 Conclusion

NTA Guest Host Debra Lynne Katz, PhD, is founder of the International School of Clairvoyance. She currently serves as President of the International Remote Viewing Association (IRVA) and is an adjunct professor at the California Institute for Human Science. Her books include You Are Psychic, Extraordinary Psychic, and Associative Remote Viewing Her website is debrakatz.com

(Recorded on June 30, 2025)

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