This wide-ranging interview provides something of an overview of Mike Jays research into all aspects of drugs and culture.

Here he focuses on the long history, within western science, of researchers exploring the effects and effectiveness of different drugs through self-experimentation.

Here they describe how, after years of struggle, they have learned how to coordinate their activities and live in harmony in the body they share. The interview concludes with a duet in which they play guitar and sing together.

The late Nobel laureate Murray Gell-Mann (1929 – 2019) addresses the relationship between the world of everyday experience and the mysterious world of subatomic particles. He points out that chaos theory shows that many large-scale events are extremely sensitive to initial conditions. Regarding complexity, he says that random systems which are difficult to describe may [...]