Murray Stein

Dr. Murray Stein is a leading Jungian analyst and scholar whose work has shaped contemporary analytical psychology. He holds degrees from Yale University, Yale Divinity School, the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich, and the University of Chicago Divinity School. A founding member and first president of the C.G. Jung Institute of Chicago, he has also served as president of the International Association for Analytical Psychology and currently serves as a training and supervising analyst at ISAP Zurich. He is the author of numerous books, including Jung’s Map of the Soul: An Introduction and its sequel Jung’s Map of the Soul: Deeper Explorations.

In this conversation, Murray explores the shadow, complexes, projection, and the levels of consciousness through which we come to know ourselves and one another. Drawing on Jung’s writings, scripture, and decades of clinical experience, Murray shares how shame, resentment, and projection shape both individual lives and collective movements — from Cain and Abel to the rise of authoritarian leaders. We consider the difference between discernment and judgment, the body’s wisdom, and the conditions of safety that make inner work possible. At the heart of our dialogue is the problem of evil and its intimate relationship to shame, and what it means to remain aware of the shadow in ourselves and in our cultures.

00:00:00 Introduction

00:04:57 What is the shadow?

00:11:39 Working with the shadow

00:17:05 States and stages of consciousness

00:28:41 Shame, humiliation and the roots of evil

00:42:56 Projection and its psychological implications

00:48:50 Discernment vs. judgment: Understanding the difference

00:52:43 Listening to the body’s signals

00:57:40 The individual shadow meets the collective

01:06:30 Safety as the ground of inner life

01:08:36 Jungian psychology: Bridging psychology and spirituality

01:12:20 The shadow of Euro-American culture

01:17:45 The New Jerusalem and the vision of a restored paradise

01:21:22 The numinous, unus mundus, and the interpsychic field

01:23:48 Final thoughts

Producer: Elena McNally

Editor: John Hartmann

(Recorded on May 1, 2026)

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Published on June 10, 2026